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MORE PICS!! 12/3/12 Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exh system.

Postby Tom Brockmeyer » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:38 pm

[Scroll way down to see lotsa pics of these exhaust systems]

On ebay there was a "Flying Ryan Superflow" megaphone pipe with a square cross section... Never seen them before, nor heard of them for that matter. So I started this thread and listing of aftermarket exhaust manifold manufacturers for the Mercury outboards.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Mercury ... 1078458084

I have seen the following aftermarket megaphone fabricators:

Hubbell
Bayer
Hustler
Parker
Grossman
Quincy
PEEKAY ENG. CO.
O'Brien
Cencro-Tone
BayCraft Boats, LTD
Flying Ryan Superflow
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby JW in Dixie » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:41 pm

Tom, how about a Cyclone? Don't believe I've seen this one either. Regards, JW in Dixie   :-)

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby krazy karl » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:52 pm

I have met the owner.  He got into collecting outboard stuff several years ago and has put together quite a collection.  Lately he has been selling off a lot of his stuff.  He has some health issues, job related, that prevent him from using his stuff but he enjoys collecting rare and unique pieces.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:10 pm

Hubbell
Lon Stevens
Goehl (sp?)

probably a dozen others mostly cruder copies of the Quincys

Charlie was right, anyone with a torch thought they could make pipes.


What makes these at least interesting is that they seem to be cast, not welded
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby MemoryLane » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:49 pm

The Grossman exhaust sold for $32.50 in 1954.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Fastjeff » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:29 am

And gas was 25 cents per gallon back then.  Doing a little math says the exhaust would now cost over 500 bucks.

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:12 pm

Fastjeff wrote:And gas was 25 cents per gallon back then.  Doing a little math says the exhaust would now cost over 500 bucks.

Jeff


500 is less than you'd pay for a new 40/44 exhaust these days ... my grandfather's store sold gas 5 gallons for a buck in the 40's and early 50's in MD.  My father says it was easy to figure out how much to charge the customers.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:15 pm

$815 and reserve still not met.   High reserves almost always hurt bidding on unusual stuff ... all the more suspicious.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Toby Hall » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:25 pm

I know this seller as well. He's a straight up guy. He has posted here before.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:18 pm

I know him too ... Often a little too secretive.  Can be less than "friendly" in that regard ... in my book that's a little less than "straight up" ... but he is 100% honest and that's a good thing. We are all entitled to our opinions and ways.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby 1500J » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:03 pm

Reminds me of these square pipes I saw in August.  $1200 OBO it said on it.  I dont think they sold. :)

The cast aluminum ones posted are pretty nice.  And would look great on a resto.

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby LarryR » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:41 pm

Yes, they would look dandy, but I doubt if there is $800 worth of performance to be had from them.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby A/B Speedliner » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:56 pm

That may be so but we are not looking for performance all of the time.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:56 am

David is right, just about no one is still racing ... most buyers are just looking for "cool"
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:25 am

Brad re-listed it ... Buy-It-Now for $1200
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby BJuby » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:32 am

Didn't it make reserve at $800 something?  What makes it worth $200-400 more now?  Maybe I'm missing something
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Lake Racer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:00 am

It never made reserve.  The cyclone exhaust had the reserve lowered and then the auction was ended.  Who bought it, anyone from here?
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby BJuby » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:58 am

I'll never understand it.  Item doesn't make reserve, increase starting bid to $200 over what the Ebayers were willing to go to.  Couple items like what recently, like that 20H that didn't make reserve at $3450.....
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:28 pm

Agree ... 2 possibilities - stupidity or mental illness
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby A/B Speedliner » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:18 pm

I do a lot of selling on ebay and some of the above remarks are equal to what the remark suggested.

The person listing the item has set a minimum value on the item he has listed, wether it is to high or to low is another issue, but he does not wish to reveal his minimum reserve hoping it will go over that amount in an open auction.  This is possible if two or more bidders both want that item and feel it is worth it to them.  Since it did not meet his undiscolosed reserve he relisted the item revealing his minimum by setting a reserve, which propbably was his initial reserve number.  Doing this a bidder knows up front what it will take to win the item and if he thinks it is within his estimate of the value he bids on it.  He also has a choice to Buy it Now for a 20% premium over the starting bid.  He could opt for that choice since the minute someone bids the minimun amount of the Buy it Now option goes away.  If he is a gambler he could hope he is the only bidder and the price stays below the Buy it Now price.  I find the sellers methods making perfect sence.  He has lost nothing since ebay has so many free listings with only a final value fee if it sells.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby 1500J » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:34 pm

I find the sellers methods making perfect sence.



I agree.  It is s a pretty good way do dangle a carrot out in front of the head rabbits in the ring.  

There were at least two people that wanted it bad enough to go up to $800.  I assume at least one person will flop down another $200 just to own something unique.

And if not, he can keep it I guess.  At least he knows the market after such a test.

To me I wouldnt give you $300 for them :)  But they are cool.

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby hydroy1 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:11 pm

Just found out about these from someone that lives breaths and knows all about 55Hs, ( as for me, I never seen these before ) The bottom line,--- they don't work, there heavy as heck, ( nobody want a top heavy motor) and there a horse power killer !!! See, exhaust runs in waves and square sides KILL waves so  your only looking at the so called "COOL" factory as a good set of  old rusty Quincy steel pipes will add a extra 15+ hp over these.  My thinking on this subject is, a  Ford Edsel is pretty cool looking to, but my god, it's STILL a nasty old Y block EDSEL ! And I HATE pushin !   lol Just my opinion.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:33 pm

Your "expert" is in disagreement with Gordon Jennings' research ... sound doesn't care whether the cone is round or square.  The reason round is used is fatigue resistance on sheet metal, nothing more.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby BJuby » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:32 am

I completely understand the logic of the fact that he loses nothing from relisting on Ebay.  I also understand that a sucker bids every second on Ebay and that eventually, you can get anything you want for anything. In regard to the sucker part, I had to learn that the hard way.....
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Tom Brockmeyer » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:25 pm

Now I would like to redirect this posting back to the pipes themselves and see if anyone knows any history on them or the manufacturer...  (enough poking sharp sticks at ebayers for now...)

Can anyone chime it with additional manufactures of pipes in addition to those mentioned below?

Hubbell
Lon Stevens
Goehl (sp?)
Bayer
Hustler
Parker
Quincy
O'Brien

Did Harold Barnes build his own pipes???  A 30H engine he built was the last to win an APBA CSH Nationals in 1989 (driver Matt D'Agostino, owner ???)

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby bh/ » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:00 pm

Bob Goller made pipes, and well known for his C expansion chambers.
The 2nd pic  is a Cmod done up by Barnes. Were those his pipes?
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Fastjeff » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:40 pm

Pipes?  You wanna see PIPES!

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Re:B/H ?  What's it say on the Barnes C-Mod plate?

Postby Tom Brockmeyer » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:56 pm

Can't zoom enough to read the casting letters on the 2nd pic of a Barnes' C-Mod...
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby bh/ » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:41 pm

Tom; -I played with the  original a bit;

"HIGH ?????? STACKS BY BUD PARKER"
pic was taken in 2001, not by me, so maybe Kurcz's shop ?

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committing the worst sin a D Merc owner could do.
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Re:Those ARE Parker stacks...

Postby Tom Brockmeyer » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:59 pm

The casting says   "HIGH OUTPUT STACKS   BY   BUD PARKER"

I had the pleasure & honor of meeting and speaking with Bud Parker at a FL AOMCI meet several years ago.  What a fine man!  He was quite soft spoken and had pretty much the last of his racing stuff with him.  Judson Laws and I pretty much bought everything he had along with him that day.

In any case, the Parker pipes are already on the list above.

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Larry Mac » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:10 am

Tom Brockmeyer wrote:Now I would like to redirect this posting back to the pipes themselves and see if anyone knows any history on them or the manufacturer...  (enough poking sharp sticks at ebayers for now...)

Can anyone chime it with additional manufactures of pipes in addition to those mentioned below?

Hubbell
Lon Stevens
Goehl (sp?)Bayer
Hustler
Parker
Quincy
O'Brien

Did Harold Barnes build his own pipes???  A 30H engine he built was the last to win an APBA CSH Nationals in 1989 (driver Matt D'Agostino, owner ???)

Tom

There was a LeBlanc (not sure of the spelling) exhaust made for the Champion Hot Rod that was very popular, he also did props and was very successful.
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Bradob » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:32 am

The Sars KG9 exhaust and the Grossmann Cyclone went to the same  east coast buyer...........The square cast Flying Ryans did not sell but reached as high as 1000 bucks to close the 1st auction early......The 1st auction ended around 800 bucks

The second auction never resulted in a sale but I did have a basic idea of how much they could bring......Now you know why the price of the second auction was higher than the first

I hung them back on the wall  for now and I think we are all in agreement that these pipes are very Cool   !!!!!!!!!

No-one ever came forward with any History about Flying Ryan

Thanks BRAD
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Brad: How about some pics here of the Ryan exhaust

Postby Tom Brockmeyer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:59 pm

Hi Brad,

How about posting some pictures here of the Ryan Exhaust...  Maybe a white paper can be assembled showing all the various forms of aftermarket exhaust systems for old Mercury outboards!??  If you can post any pics, I would be happy to accept some via email and I will get the pictures up here (with your permission to post them).

Thanks,

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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Sam Cullis » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:48 pm

Thanks Brad, especially for being thick skinned an tolerating me and my comments!   icon_wtf.gif  You are a good sport
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Bradob » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:23 am

Tom
I am currently at my winter home in Georgia........I will provide you with detailed photos of the Flying Ryans after I return to my Wisconsin home in April

Thanks Brad

Another maker-----(SARS) Galesburg IL.   aftermarket  Kg9 exhaust
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Re: Anyone???  Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exhaust system.

Postby Fastjeff » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:14 pm

We gotta wait that long!  Sheesh.

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Found another Flyin Ryan megaphone pipe

Postby Tom Brockmeyer » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:57 am

Found another Ryan pipe... NOS with no machine work done aside from the casting flashing being ground off.

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Also, a NOS BayCraft Boats, LTD Oakland, CA "dump" exhaust similar to a Grossmann Cyclone.
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AND, another new one for the list, it's a "Cencro-Tone" short dump exhaust for a 4-cylinder!
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Re: MORE PICS!! 12/3/12 Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exh system

Postby MN1 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:58 pm

Add Rodtek to the list of pipe makers. I don't know how many were built but these were designed by an OMC engineer, Sam LaBanco. I think he designed a chamber system for the Merc too. From what I've heard, Rodtek pipes make more power than any other.
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Re: MORE PICS!! 12/3/12 Mystery 40/44ci megaphone exh system

Postby Fastjeff » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:17 am

Interesting stuff!  I think Merc used that Cencro-Tone system on their record-breaking hydro (the one in the famous video on U-Tube).

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