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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby 1500J » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:08 am

Seems some racers turned these 1100’s pretty hard.  I’ve heard there was some version of a fiber reed that survived high RPM for select teams. Gene Lanham described them as phenolic reeds.  Never seen one myself.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Steve77t » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:18 am

daveswaves wrote:Exactly Stan.  Pete, not over thinking it, probably over explaining it.  The only rings available for the 1100 are standard.  There are no oversize available in the 1/8 thickness.  The oversize pistons have 3/16 thick rings.  So Im stuck with the ring end gap that is left over when you put a standard ring in a .002 oversize bore.


Make your own os rings from the 3/16 ones. Magnetic surface grinder will do this just fine. Steve
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby zul8tr » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:25 am

biglargeone wrote:what does circumference have to do with end gap? You are thinking an imaginary line around od of bore. We are way over thinking this.


FYI:  Ring end gap increases with cylinder circumference increase as Pi(3.141..) x bore increase, so each .001" bore diameter increase will increase ring gap by 0.00314 or about 0.003" as noted in the Hastings link:

https://www.hastingspistonrings.com/tec ... -ring-gaps

Quoted from the link from paragraph after the table:

"An important fact to remember is that the manufacturers rigidly adhere to these tolerances and that the ring gaps are inspected in gauges accurate to .0001" at the cylinder diameter the ring is manufactured for. Any increase in the diameter of the cylinder is being used in, over the designated size, results in an increase of approximately .003" in ring gap for each .001" increase in cylinder diameter."

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Steve77t » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 pm

Thanks Stan for your answer and here is your cookie, now take your seat!  :lol:  :arrow:  [wrench.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Inlinelover » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:45 pm

Just for reference, Jan schoonover used to race a twin engine switzer wing with twin 1100's from Mercury that he claims he used to turn well over 8000 rpm. He was the first to set a NOA record over 100 mph with a twin engine boat .

I had one of these engines and they were the first ever equipped with phenolic reeds from Mercury. they were the big petal reeds as shown in your previous pics.  the tips on these were slightly chipped as well from the high RPM.

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Inlinelover » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:46 pm

probably got pics around of those reeds and may have the original reed petals still here somewhere.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:37 pm

Thanks guys, appreciate the comments.   :arrow:
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:50 pm

Also note that hastings comments on the maximum allowed cyl wear for the rings to be effective is .003 per inch of cyl diameter.  I am way below that.  For the 1100 and 650 an oversize of .009 would call for rebore and oversize rings.  Im good with new standard rings, although, a magnetic surface grinder would cool [blue.gif]                                                 [blue.gif] .  happy Easter everyone. [drinkingcheers.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby zul8tr » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:54 pm

Steve77t wrote:Thanks Stan for your answer and here is your cookie, now take your seat!  :lol:  :arrow:  [wrench.gif]


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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fingerlakeskid » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:59 pm

I want my cookie now! :cry:
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:07 pm

Decided to pull apart the distributor.  It too was savaged by the evil humidity.  Corrosion everywhere.  Surprisingly the bearings are smooth as silk.  The seals kept the evil rust away.  All cleaned up now.  You may remember I mentiones somebody had glued in the coil wire.  The problem was at the other end of the wire.  Corrosion had rotted the coil wire through where it screws into the cap.  It had been arcing as evidenced by the end of the wire.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fastjeff » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:56 pm

Still storing that trigger module for you, should you need it.

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Steve77t » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:09 am

zul8tr wrote:
Steve77t wrote:Thanks Stan for your answer and here is your cookie, now take your seat!  :lol:  :arrow:  [wrench.gif]


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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:23 am

Fastjeff wrote:Still storing that trigger module for you, should you need it.

Jeff

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:36 am

Fastjeff wrote:Still storing that trigger module for you, should you need it.

Jeff

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:00 pm

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Heres how I hold my rings when putting the pistons in the 1100ss.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fastjeff » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:21 pm

Dumb question: How do you get that ring off IF the rod is attached to the...

Never mind.

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:40 pm

Its a fair question Jeff.  In this case it just comes over the crank end an gets re used.  If I am putting an assembled crank in, which i dont do much anymore, they just get touched with a soldering iron or heat gun and they pop off.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby popdude » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:57 pm

Dave, I just acquired a Merc 1100 block and was curious as to what parts were still available for these. Turns out marineengine.com has a ton of parts for them. I noticed this model was also used 2 different size rings. 5/64" and 1/16" thick. They also show only one part # for rods 611-1885A 4. The 4 superceeds  the 2 and 3.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:56 pm

Yes I was aware of the two ring sizes and the diffefent pistons.  I have a full set of new old stock 5/64 rings...I need 1/16 rings lol. [wrench.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:05 pm

Let me know if you need the thicker rings.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby popdude » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:30 pm

What I have is just the 1100 block. I have no plans for it and don't need it. If you need it or anyone else LMK.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Wed May 02, 2018 2:05 am

Just an update, the project is stalled until I get the 1/16 rings.  They are on order and should be here mid May.  Then I can complete the build.  In the meatime I did my least favourite Mercury Repair...re wired and assembled the control box.  Trying to get the new wires to squish into the allocated space while you are covered in grease without loosing that damn detent barrel....well. Its done now.  Good news its nice and smooth. [wrench.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby 1500J » Wed May 02, 2018 6:28 pm

That stinks.  I had the chance to buy a bunch of 1100 rings last year and I passed.    Should have picked them up.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby 1500J » Thu May 03, 2018 1:50 am

Couple of inspirational videos .  My 1100 when I was running it.

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Wed May 09, 2018 11:10 pm

Ok back on track, my new narrow rings arrived today.  Hope to finish the powerhead in the next week.  Fyi, ring wear.  The new rings are 1.030 deep.  The old ones had worn to 1.020 deep.  Thats the eqivalent of .020 over bore wear.  Just from the rings.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Tue May 15, 2018 7:53 pm

Finished assembly of the reciprocating assembly and fitted the front cover.  This one made me jump through hoops too.  I inserted the pistons first and each one felt good. Smooth and tight with new rings all around.  Married the crank to the rods and torqued the caps.  A test rotation by hand showed (felt) two rough spots.  Two of the end caps had become matched with the wrong rods.  Both end caps had two scribe marks on them that (almost) lined up with the two scribes on the rod.  The give away was the color (colour) did not match.  Swapped them around and all is good.  Nice smooth rotation.  Next I will set the end play and rotate it on a drill with gobs of oil.  When I am happy with that I will bolt it up.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fastjeff » Tue May 15, 2018 11:31 pm

I paint each end cap with a different color paint to avoid that.  It also orients the cap.  Makes for a colorful assembly (especially with the Mark 78!)

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Tue May 15, 2018 11:48 pm

Usually the rods and caps along with bearings are in a zip loc with the piston marked as to cyl.  That all went west when 3 pistons needed new ring pins and 2 were replaced with new pistons and small pin rods.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fastjeff » Wed May 16, 2018 12:39 am

Yeah:  Lots of parts on a six!

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Fri May 18, 2018 9:41 pm

Just a quick update.  All buttoned up and turning smoothly.   Did a final cleaning of the carbs before assembly and I noticed that the emulsion tube in the middle carb was cracked.  Also in the middle carb the tiny pinhole to the fuel bowl was plugged solid.  The other two carbs were fine. I would imagine the previous owner had fun dialing this carb in.  Alls fixed now. [drinkingcheers.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby biglargeone » Sat May 19, 2018 1:10 pm

Dave, , Can not wait to hear how good it runs! Do you a great job on your rebuilds. When will you fire it up? :arrow:
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sat May 19, 2018 7:11 pm

Pete, hope to have it finished by the end of the month then I will post a final pic and video of it running to close out this thread.  Its been a challenging build just from the amount of little stuff that crept into the mix along the way.   :arrow:
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:20 am

Quick update.  Have been busy with family health problems so not much time to play with the merc.  Fired it up today to burn off all the assembly lube.  My Fathers day gift to me lol.  Timing is late at idle probably off a tooth.  No tell tale, no water from the 1/4 inch hose either.  Gonna have to pull the exhaust cover and see whats going on.  
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Pulledthe block to check water flow.  I had severely blocked hose to the telltale.  Could not even blow 60 pi through the 12 inches of hose.  I had just used the one that came with it.  Silly me. [yeahthat.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Michael » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:55 am

daveswaves wrote:Pulledthe block to check water flow.  I had severely blocked hose to the telltale.  Could not even blow 60 pi through the 12 inches of hose.  I had just used the one that came with it.  Silly me. [yeahthat.gif]

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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fingerlakeskid » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:37 am

Better to be safe than sorry. Looking forward to seeing pictures of the shake down cruise.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:05 am

Thanks guys.  Soon I hope.  Better half is home from the hospital as of yesterday.  I have been commuting to the hospital for the last 10 days.  Complications with dehydration and a DVT in her leg after the original surgery.  Everything is on the mend.

Expect to put the block back on this weekend and fire it up again.  I did not run it long before since I had no tell tale. [fingerscrossed.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:53 am

Gonna park this one till winter.  Problems on startup, internal screech internally sounds like a bearing spinning in its cap.  Summer is marching on and I need to get the boat in the water.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fingerlakeskid » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:04 am

Sorry to hear that Dave. "Take two aspirin and call me in the morning,"  "er, uhm,  a,  you know what I mean. It will look better tomorrow.  [yeahthat.gif]
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Four Sons » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:04 am

So,   I've been following this interesting discussion about the 1100.  Somewhere along the way, I read something about piston ring pins.  Huh? What's that?  I'm not a motor expert by any means, but have an above average understanding about the pistons & related parts but that one stumped me.  

Doing a little research just now, I found this:  https://patents.google.com/patent/US2606085A/en

Turns out by just dumb luck it happens to be an ECK patent!  Is this what you guys are talking about?  

Thanks, Pat
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby daveswaves » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:25 am

Yes Pat, those are the pins in question.
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Re: 67 merc 1100ss

Postby Fastjeff » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:54 pm

Wish he had 'invented' and easier way to get them on and off.

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